GAP 2015 Vs GAP 2014
Chippy writes:
Had the 2015 Sylmar Spring Air this weekend. Nice turn out, with
Jonny, Kraig, Konrad Heilman (both Konrad and Kraig did not compete but did fly
the course), Zippy and most of our regulars. Discussion after the scoring and
awards was about leading points and why they should be included. I decided to
enable them the best way possible using the scoring script you developed.
However setting the parameter in your scoring program to use GAP 2000 wasn't
working.
http://www.soaringspot.com/en_gb/sylmar-spring-air-2015/results/open/task-1-on-2015-06-06/daily
So I downloaded and scored the top three in FS 2015. Using OzGap 2005 in FS 2015
pretty much mirrors OzGAP 2005 in SeeYou, using GAP 2000 awarding departure and
arrival position points, or the new Official CIVL GAP 2015 award squared leading
points and
arrival position points, changes the 2nd and 3rd place competitors, because of
those parameters, as expected.
Live tracking here.
My response:
FS 2015/GAP 2015 uses the squared version of leading points plus arrival
position points. What happens if you use GAP 2014 in FS 2015 instead?
Chippy writes:
Re-scored the comp again in FS after seeing that I needed the
legacy scoring pack.
After getting all of the users in, I used the following formulas:
2014 Official CIVL Hang Gliding with squared leading coefficient value (GAP
2015)
# |
Name |
SS |
ES |
Time |
Dist.
Points |
Lead.
Points |
Time
Points |
Arr.
Pos.
Points |
Total |
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1 |
Jonny Durand |
14:20:00 |
15:40:29 |
01:20:29 |
365.9 |
40.5 |
431.4 |
55.9 |
894 |
2 |
Rob Burgis |
14:00:00 |
15:32:19 |
01:32:19 |
365.9 |
107.8 |
298.9 |
77.0 |
850 |
3 |
Zac Majors |
14:20:00 |
15:41:06 |
01:21:06 |
365.9 |
26.9 |
412.9 |
29.4 |
835 |
2014 Official CIVL Hang Gliding without squared leading coefficient value
(GAP 2014)
# |
Name |
SS |
ES |
Time |
Dist.
Points |
Lead.
Points |
Time
Points |
Arr.
Pos.
Points |
Total |
---|
1 |
Jonny Durand |
14:20:00 |
15:40:29 |
01:20:29 |
365.9 |
53.0 |
431.4 |
55.9 |
906 |
2 |
Zac Majors |
14:20:00 |
15:41:06 |
01:21:06 |
365.9 |
42.3 |
412.9 |
29.4 |
851 |
3 |
Rob Burgis |
14:00:00 |
15:32:19 |
01:32:19 |
365.9 |
107.8 |
298.9 |
77.0 |
850 |
OzGap 2005
# |
Name |
SS |
ES |
Time |
Dist.
Points |
Time
Points |
Arr.
Time
Points |
Total |
---|
1 |
Jonny Durand |
14:20:00 |
15:40:29 |
01:20:29 |
365.9 |
462.2 |
115.8 |
944 |
2 |
Zac Majors |
14:20:00 |
15:41:06 |
01:21:06 |
365.9 |
442.4 |
113.2 |
922 |
3 |
Rob Burgis |
14:00:00 |
15:32:19 |
01:32:19 |
365.9 |
320.2 |
154.1 |
840 |
From what I can see, using the squared leading coefficient value
rewards the pilots that lead (start) early, and also rewards pilots that lead
but do not make goal. This scenario was being discussed in the LZ most
vigorously by Konrad and to some extent Jonny. I think they are in favor of
this.
When not using the squared leading coefficient value, pilots that lead and make
goal get the same value or close to it, but those that lead (or took the first
start), but did not make goal are the most penalized. The further away from
goal, the larger the penalty.
In the examples, you can see Ken Andrews who was leading early with Rob Burgis
but missed one of the turnpoints is rewarded with 47.1 lead points when using
the squared value. Those leading points are really stripped away when not using
the squared value and distributed to the pilots that took the second start.
Maybe this is the way it should be, because at the point Ken missed the
waypoint, he then failed to be leading.
OzGAP, obviously only rewards pilots that lead and make goal.
The reversal is completely related to the squared value. Since it cannot be
removed using GAP 2015, I had to use GAP 2014 to really see it.
You can also see 3rd and 4th places swap (Ron Kienan and Jonathan Dietch). Of
course, Jonathon likes this because it puts him in 4th.
Since the comp was small, maybe the points are compressed and have a greater
effect.
Mostly, our comps are small and we generally use one start and therefore,
leading points are not required/needed. This time we couldn't get everyone off
in time and multiple starts were needed. At this point, most pilots here
"expect" leading points to be enabled. And currently there is not a way to do
that in SeeYou. Pilots I'm hearing from want leading points for pilots that lead
out but also for pilots that lead, but do not make goal.
Some might say, what's the point, you didn't make goal.
My response:
Why exactly should Rob be rewarded so handsomely for taking the early clock?
Zippy flew much faster than he. Was Rob somehow disadvantaged and Zippy and
Jonny advantaged because Rob took an earlier clock?
This comparison tells us nothing about whether anyone was pulling anyone else by
getting out just in front of them. It is a matter of personal preference whether
one wishes to give more or less points for speed or for taking the earlier start
clock.
http://OzReport.com/1433941053
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